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Wednesday, October 20th, 2010Knife Timber
Question about the Cross, Christians including Jehovah’s Witnesses only please?
I got this from the Watchtower.org ” The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons, explains: “There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”
further in the article it says that if someone killed you by a gun or a knife you would not wear the instrument around your neck. That it’s the resurrection in which we are supposed to focus.
I’ve heard Christian say that the Cross symbolized trimuph over death and its ‘taking of the Cross’ that is remembered and the cross itself is not worshipped.
so, what dost thou sayest?
Bobby Jean, what do you mean by that? about the crucifix?
There are many Hebrew and Greek references and interlinears available
to preachers and seminary students and often to ordinary lay people as
well….especially on the internet where they can be used free of charge.
Hard copy (books) may cost dozens or hundreds of your dollars.
The origins of cross and trinity are commonly known to preachers. You
can view these materials for yourself. I’ll provide links: This may take
2 of these messages as they can only be so long.
Cross References
Strong’s Greek Dictionary/Vine’s Expository Dictionary of NT words
James Strong did Strongs concordance also.
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs.html Use this to check
any verse in KJV where “cross” occurs. Hit the word link to find what
instrument was actually used to kill Jesus.
http://www.tgm.org/bible.htm This link has both Strong’s and Vines’
actual original language word dictionaries. Scroll down to either and
put cross in the English or Stauros in the Greek box. Strong’s number
is 4716.
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4716&t=KJV
Thayer’s Greek lexicon
http://www.studylight.org/isb/ Interlinear Bibles showing English and
Greek. Click on the word to see what it really means/comes from.
This has the Textus Receptus that KJV used, Byzantine, and Nestle-
Arnand Greek texts and several Hebrew Interlinears also.
http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/ The Two Babylons book by
Reverend Alexander Hyslop, 1800s….has a cross section.
http://www.nazarene-friends.org/nazcomm/40/010.htm#38
21st Century Bible (Nazarene) has lengthy notes on cross not
being the instrument used each place where cross occurs in Bible
(footnotes..click link)
http://www.wordofyah.org/scriptures/nt/B40C010.htm
Paleo Times Bible (historic and linguistic, uses stake instead
of cross in English Bible text)
Vine’s Entry on Cross…..
Cross, Crucify
A. Noun
stauros
B. Verbs
stauroo
sustauroo
anastauroo
prospegnumi
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A1. Cross, Crucify [Noun]
stauros denotes, primarily, “an upright pale or stake.” On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, “to fasten to a stake or pale,” are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed “cross.” The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the “cross” of Christ.
As for the Chi, or X, which Constantine declared he had seen in a vision leading him to champion the Christian faith, that letter was the initial of the word “Christ” and had nothing to do with “the Cross” (for xulon, “a timber beam, a tree,” as used for the stauros, see under TREE).
The method of execution was borrowed by the Greeks and Romans from the Phoenicians. The stauros denotes
(a) “the cross, or stake itself,” e.g., Matt_27:32;
(b) “the crucifixion suffered,” e.g., 1_Cor_1:17,18, where “the word of the cross,” RV, stands for the Gospel; Gal_5:11, where crucifixion is metaphorically used of the renunciation of the world, that characterizes the true Christian life; Gal_6:12,14; Eph_2:16; Php_3:18.
The judicial custom by which the condemned person carried his stake to the place of execution, was applied by the Lord to those sufferings by which His faithful followers were to express their fellowship with Him, e.g., Matt_10:38.
http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/get_defn.pl?num=0616
Debbie
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